Please correct me if I’m wrong but it really feels formulaic at this point: almost every answer seems to be the process of
1) unconscious incompetence
2) conscious incompetence
3) conscious competence
4) unconscious competence
Which is sorta what you’re saying in this article? First we serve God unconsciously, then we yearn for “liberty” a la Jorjani, before realizing, actually, we ARE God, merely a cell within the body.
I have an article where I explore this as the “formulaic” answer to pretty much every meaningful, deep question; am I a hammer that sees everything as a nail? Or is this genuinely the metamodern holy grail as it were?
(Apologies if my comment is unclear; this was the first idea that popped into my head.)
I had not considered this but its a really good take. I actually ran it through an llm and here is what it told me:
Unconscious Incompetence
The Stage: You don't know that you don't know. You are just following the script.
In the Article: This is the "Traditional View" / Sunday School God.
The Vibe: You are a "battery" but you don't know it. You are serving the system (World Maintenance) blindly through religious dogma, unaware of the mechanics behind it (Entropy/Heropass).
Conscious Incompetence
The Stage: You realize the old way doesn't work, but you haven't mastered the new way. This is usually a painful or chaotic phase.
In the Article: This covers Atheism and the Promethean Revolt (Jorjani).
The Vibe: You wake up. You realize the "Sunday School God" is logically impossible (infallible yet angry). You reject the role of the battery. You revolt. This is necessary, but it is "incompetent" because, as noted, a cell rebelling against the body is cancer. It is awareness without wisdom.
3. Conscious Competence
The Stage: You understand the rules and you are actively, laboriously applying them. It takes effort.
In the Article: This is Gurdjieff’s "Work" / Campbell’s "Entropy Reduction."
The Vibe: You realize that rebellion is futile and that the only way out is through. You accept your role as a "mitochondrion." You consciously choose to produce high-quality energy (Love/ATP). You are doing "World Maintenance" on purpose.
4. Unconscious Competence
The Stage: Mastery. The skill becomes second nature. You are no longer "trying"; you just "are."
In the Article: This is the "World Creation" / The Architect.
.The Vibe: This is the "Whim" fully crystallized. You are no longer just a servant keeping the lights on; you have become a Creator. You aren't just lowering entropy; you are structuring new realities. You have graduated from Apprentice to Master.
Why this framing is helpful
Your comment actually solves the "Jorjani Problem" in the text. It reframes his Promethean revolt not as "wrong," but as Stage 2.
The Promethean phase is a necessary adolescence. You have to realize you are being harvested to stop being a blind servant. But if you get stuck there, you just burn out. The shift to Gurdjieff/Campbell is the shift to maturity (Stage 3)
What we think of God depends upon where we are in the process - and all parts are required too! You can’t skip a step. (You have to be an atheist to be a theist, etc, as you alluded to in your article.) Was just a thought :) happy it clicked
Wow, reading this was a revelatory experience. Waves of understanding moving through my body. It ties together so many threads of understanding I have come to through my own mystical experiences.
Deeply grateful to you for sharing this with me at this moment!
You might appreciate the book ‘Christ the Eternal Tao.’ It’s by a Christian hieromonk. A fresh articulation of Orthodox theology that also bridges to Lao Tzu. For me Orthodox Christian theology—which is deeply mystical and profound—is increasingly the view of God that resonates most deeply for me. It preserves His unknowable Mystery while also honoring His inexhaustible Revelation and personal, incarnate Love.
Please correct me if I’m wrong but it really feels formulaic at this point: almost every answer seems to be the process of
1) unconscious incompetence
2) conscious incompetence
3) conscious competence
4) unconscious competence
Which is sorta what you’re saying in this article? First we serve God unconsciously, then we yearn for “liberty” a la Jorjani, before realizing, actually, we ARE God, merely a cell within the body.
I have an article where I explore this as the “formulaic” answer to pretty much every meaningful, deep question; am I a hammer that sees everything as a nail? Or is this genuinely the metamodern holy grail as it were?
(Apologies if my comment is unclear; this was the first idea that popped into my head.)
I had not considered this but its a really good take. I actually ran it through an llm and here is what it told me:
Unconscious Incompetence
The Stage: You don't know that you don't know. You are just following the script.
In the Article: This is the "Traditional View" / Sunday School God.
The Vibe: You are a "battery" but you don't know it. You are serving the system (World Maintenance) blindly through religious dogma, unaware of the mechanics behind it (Entropy/Heropass).
Conscious Incompetence
The Stage: You realize the old way doesn't work, but you haven't mastered the new way. This is usually a painful or chaotic phase.
In the Article: This covers Atheism and the Promethean Revolt (Jorjani).
The Vibe: You wake up. You realize the "Sunday School God" is logically impossible (infallible yet angry). You reject the role of the battery. You revolt. This is necessary, but it is "incompetent" because, as noted, a cell rebelling against the body is cancer. It is awareness without wisdom.
3. Conscious Competence
The Stage: You understand the rules and you are actively, laboriously applying them. It takes effort.
In the Article: This is Gurdjieff’s "Work" / Campbell’s "Entropy Reduction."
The Vibe: You realize that rebellion is futile and that the only way out is through. You accept your role as a "mitochondrion." You consciously choose to produce high-quality energy (Love/ATP). You are doing "World Maintenance" on purpose.
4. Unconscious Competence
The Stage: Mastery. The skill becomes second nature. You are no longer "trying"; you just "are."
In the Article: This is the "World Creation" / The Architect.
.The Vibe: This is the "Whim" fully crystallized. You are no longer just a servant keeping the lights on; you have become a Creator. You aren't just lowering entropy; you are structuring new realities. You have graduated from Apprentice to Master.
Why this framing is helpful
Your comment actually solves the "Jorjani Problem" in the text. It reframes his Promethean revolt not as "wrong," but as Stage 2.
The Promethean phase is a necessary adolescence. You have to realize you are being harvested to stop being a blind servant. But if you get stuck there, you just burn out. The shift to Gurdjieff/Campbell is the shift to maturity (Stage 3)
What we think of God depends upon where we are in the process - and all parts are required too! You can’t skip a step. (You have to be an atheist to be a theist, etc, as you alluded to in your article.) Was just a thought :) happy it clicked
Wow, reading this was a revelatory experience. Waves of understanding moving through my body. It ties together so many threads of understanding I have come to through my own mystical experiences.
Deeply grateful to you for sharing this with me at this moment!
You might appreciate the book ‘Christ the Eternal Tao.’ It’s by a Christian hieromonk. A fresh articulation of Orthodox theology that also bridges to Lao Tzu. For me Orthodox Christian theology—which is deeply mystical and profound—is increasingly the view of God that resonates most deeply for me. It preserves His unknowable Mystery while also honoring His inexhaustible Revelation and personal, incarnate Love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJdbj5d1v64
NICE WORK...
TIMELY AS WELL. SUCH DISCUSSIONS
HAVE RECENTLY COME IN RESPONSE TO
"PLURIBUS".
https://ww23.0123movie.net/movie/pluribus-season-1-1630860138.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK8riF04U8k THOUGHT U MIGHT ENJOY.
Thanks for this essay. Lots of good points well put. Helpful to my current thinking. Feeds the fire.